tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1603438996450817644.post4730287975434812984..comments2024-01-12T01:56:21.933-08:00Comments on chokka blog: Wings Over Scotland: An ApologyKevin Haguehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14587343060415859159noreply@blogger.comBlogger85125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1603438996450817644.post-45997430852173601162015-08-26T13:10:56.562-07:002015-08-26T13:10:56.562-07:00It appears the "Reverend" isn't even...<br />It appears the "Reverend" isn't even a reverend at all and may inadvertently help helped a sentenced fraudster via an online fundraising...what a farce.<br /><br />Even Hannah Bardell rushing to hand over funds, do they people (MP's) beleive anything they read on a dodgy website ?<br /><br />https://ahdinnaeken.wordpress.com/2015/08/23/exclusive-fake-reverend-exposed-as-self-serving-sham/<br /><br />The dodgy Fundraising event raises even more concerns about the websites credibility and its editors ...which tbh weren't that credible to most sane people anyway.<br /><br />https://ahdinnaeken.wordpress.com/2015/08/20/exclusive-wings-over-scotlands-philanthropy-set-to-implode/<br /><br />seems Wings over Scotland is being investigated too ? "The Labour for Independence and Wings Over Scotland files were handed to the Crown Office. It is still reviewing the Wings Over Scotland case and it refused to comment on its progress" http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/may/14/labour-for-independence-yes-camhttps://ahdinnaeken.wordpress.com/2015/08/20/exclusive-wings-over-scotlands-philanthropy-set-to-implode/paign-investigated-failing-file-accounts-scotland <br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1603438996450817644.post-68911074504899900292015-03-08T15:28:46.675-07:002015-03-08T15:28:46.675-07:00It is not just the amp who buy votes, but yes the ...It is not just the amp who buy votes, but yes the electorate are and have been dumb enough to have their votes bought. Anti austerity is basically promising free money.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1603438996450817644.post-85040656621210428762015-03-08T06:10:10.282-07:002015-03-08T06:10:10.282-07:00Mr/Ms/ etc Anonymous, do you really think any par...Mr/Ms/ etc Anonymous, do you really think any party can buy votes? Talk about doing down the electorate. <br /><br />I'm not voting snp in may because I'm being bought. I'm voting snp because the unionist parties have proven themselves to be incapable of understanding the needs of my country. <br /><br />It's nothing to do with tax bribes or or putting money in my pocket. Fuck, I'd vote Tory if I thought my local MP would best represent me and the party would do the best job for Scotland and the uk.<br /><br />And your attempts to paint Nats as petty etc etc is a down to a lack of understanding of a huge proportion of the electorate. We're way more intelligent and sophisticated to be written off with a sniffy one-line. You must try harder.<br /><br />I totally agree that the deficit and national debt need sorting. Saying the coalition has not kept their promises though is the understatement of the Year! How about have proven themselves incapable. However, that's no reason not to give them another 5 years years now is it? jason hoffmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1603438996450817644.post-58537935853717313722015-03-07T18:26:26.279-08:002015-03-07T18:26:26.279-08:00Ah blessed petty nats, always wanting approval off...Ah blessed petty nats, always wanting approval off of someone.<br /><br />I am no fan of Osborne, but the article comes across as a rant rather then scrutiny. The Tories have not kept there promises, but if you want to leave a future for your children that means the deficit and indeed the debt need to be dealt with.<br /><br />Borrowing 180 billion to buy votes should be considered unacceptable, and anti austerity rallies should be seen as I want free stuff rallies.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1603438996450817644.post-45278453293911707072015-03-07T11:11:17.540-08:002015-03-07T11:11:17.540-08:00Are the figures that the Another Angry Voice blogg...Are the figures that the Another Angry Voice blogger posted about George Osbourne's performance as Chancellor "wrong" too? <br /><br />He claims they come from the OBR, so they must be "right". But since AAV is clearly a critic of Westminster and especially the Tories, and is also pro-independence, then I guess he must be "wrong".<br /><br />Sigh. It's just so confusing. I don't know who to believe these days... <br /><br />http://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2014/09/george-osborne-failure-public-trust.html<br /><br />Now, hopefully I have posted the hot link correctly this time. I'm sure my admirer, Mr Anonymous will be along so to tell me otherwise...Jason Hoffmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1603438996450817644.post-55899140038340141422015-03-07T10:05:56.702-08:002015-03-07T10:05:56.702-08:00I think one thing in all of this needs to be made ...I think one thing in all of this needs to be made clear - there's nothing about supporting independence that means you automatically have to ignore (or distort) the Scottish Government's own figures on our basic fiscal position. There are plenty of people who support independence and don't do this. <br /><br />What we see from people like Stuart Campbell and others is a completely different thing. They no doubt believe in independence for its own sake, but they've chosen to intentionally obscure the figures simply because it suits their argument. It's basically what happens when you adopt over the top online personas: you can never concede a point so your argument becomes increasingly outlandish simply to avoid backing down. <br /><br />So we end up having pointless arguments about what anyone can see is true if they just log on to the Scottish Government's website and type the letters "GERS" into the search box. You almost get the impression at times that the more fervently one believes in independence the less likely they are to accept basic facts and figures - instead they simply hide behind obfuscation and personal abuse.<br /><br />There's no "debate" about whether the quoted paragraph from the Wee Blue Book is wrong. Anyone who just looks up the GERS reports from which it's based can see it's wrong. What's more interesting is why so many people seem to think that simply attacking the person who points out an error immediately makes the error disappear.Steve Jayburnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1603438996450817644.post-21007321031706648602015-03-06T18:03:58.064-08:002015-03-06T18:03:58.064-08:00The link you gave clearly indicates the mail , it ...The link you gave clearly indicates the mail , it would not be to much effort to link the original so still petty.<br /><br />Have read the article again and nowhere does it make referance to England = UK. What you have is a right of centre paper doing a rallying call for a right of centre party. Absolutely nothing to get worked up about. Or even read, which I have done twice now.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1603438996450817644.post-84226273837672655702015-03-06T15:03:28.016-08:002015-03-06T15:03:28.016-08:00Mr anonymous, for the record I linked to the arti...Mr anonymous, for the record I linked to the article I saw posted on FB. I don't read the daily mail and have no reason to. On the other hand I am not petty enough to deny them revenue for clicks. I'm sure the daily mail will be getting plenty of hits today.<br /><br />I was just posting a link.<br /><br />The article clearly shows the English viewpoint espoused by many that England =Britain = UK. scotland is Scotland, which is part of the Uk, but is not the UK, unlike England which is.<br /><br />And that is why the Max Hastings of the England are scared. They told us in Scotland during the referendum that we're an integral part of the union, but in reality they don't want us to participate. Not really. And they are shit scared of the snp because they cannot control them nor the direction they're likely to take us.jason hoffmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1603438996450817644.post-43004485572826104612015-03-06T12:06:46.060-08:002015-03-06T12:06:46.060-08:00I will post under whatever username I wish to than...I will post under whatever username I wish to thank you. You can take pettiness to heart, or you can realise it is merely how I perceive you linking a archive rather then the mail itself as to deprive them of hits and revenue.<br /><br />I read the article, and the message is entirely understandable, and it didn't get my blood boiling. What you have to see is England is not represented other then at Westminster, and the snp merely want to cause division or as much damage as they can.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1603438996450817644.post-68456340049971880742015-03-06T11:38:03.221-08:002015-03-06T11:38:03.221-08:00Kevin & Jason,
Re your comments on taxation i...Kevin & Jason,<br /><br />Re your comments on taxation in general.<br /><br />I never really thought about it until I saw (quite a few years ago) the inscription on the IRS building in Washington:<br /><br />"Taxes are what we pay for a civilised society"<br /><br />The question always, how much taxation will the public readily accept? Will the public ever say "enough is enough?"<br /><br />The super rich, don't most of them live in tax havens already? <br />How are you going to get more tax from them?<br /><br />In work tax credits, beggars belief that this happens, I see a proposal to offer employers tax relief if they raise their wages.<br />That is just recycling the same money which has to come from somewhere.<br />You guys are in business so I guess you have views if you have employees. Not that I imagine you are paying minimum wage.<br /><br />The personal allowance, IMO, should be raised at a faster rate to equal the minimum wage level in force at that time.<br />If you have the qualifying years the state pension pension should be increased to the minimum wage and pro-rata.<br />These would, if feasible, take a long time to come into effect.<br /><br />Tax avoidance, this is catch all phrase for a subject which is partially dealt with in the HMRC "tax gap" publication. Currently the tax gap is £34bn totalled from various activities so read the document.<br />We have tax avoidance and evasion.<br />Evasion we know is illegal.<br />However, avoidance in my view, should be redesignated into 2 components, intended and aggresive. <br />It strikes me as ludicrous that the big accountancy firms help to formulate the tax rules, and are then able to advise their clients of the loopholes. That they also have secondees in the political parties is another iyem that should be stopped.<br /><br />Tha Amazons of this world are operating within the rules, IMO, changing the CT rules etc cannot be done in isolation, it has been a topic at various "G" whatever meetings.<br />It does not help that Luxembourg, who I undertand are the main beneficiary, are allowed to operate this system of financial benefit. <br />The EU say they are looking into this, but what do the EU and Luxembourg have in common! <br /><br />As for MP extra jobs, I am not against professionals who have maintain hours etc to retain their qualifications.<br />What about MP's who write books, do after dinner speaking, appear on TV shows, will this be verboten?<br />Are you expecting your MP to work 24/7?<br />It has been suggested that the American system of a cap be introduced, but this would probably mean MP being paid a higher basic.<br /><br />So may questions and precious few answers.Ron Sturrocknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1603438996450817644.post-32038750288269393822015-03-06T10:02:49.972-08:002015-03-06T10:02:49.972-08:00Beow is the outline of the SNP comment in the &quo...Beow is the outline of the SNP comment in the "Future Government Spending " debate on Wednesday.<br />You can view via Hansard, this and other comments.<br /><br /><br />HoC 04.03.25<br />Stewart Hosie: I am sorry; I have given way already, and we are time-limited.<br />The motion also calls for a programme to get the current account into surplus and to get the national debt falling as a share of GDP as soon as possible. In principle, I agree with that, but my party wants to see an <br />4 Mar 2015 : Column 1013<br />explicit end to austerity because, as the hon. Member for Rutherglen and Hamilton West (Tom Greatrex) pointed out, people have suffered enough already. That is why we have set out a plan for a modest real-terms increase in departmental spending that would deliver £180 billion of investment in the next Parliament. Our plan would result in the deficit coming down, from 3.4% to 3%, 2.5% and 2.1% of GDP from 2016-17. It is a plan that would see the national debt fall as a share of GDP, albeit on a different, more shallow trajectory. It is a plan that would in the first year, 2016-17, not see £23 billion of extra Tory-Liberal cuts, but £25 billion of investment. We think that is extremely sensible, and it ties in to what the Chief Secretary said about active government and what difference that and the Government’s investment can make. <br />--------------------------------------<br /><br />I understand the SNP proposal for annual departmental spending increases are 0.5%, which departments these are I do not now. <br /><br />From 2016/17 the OBR growth forecasts are:<br />16/17 2.2%, 17/18 2.4%, 18/19 2.3%, 19/20 2.3%.<br /><br />Coalition borrowing forecast:<br />15/16 £75.2bn, 16/17 £44.5, 17/18 £16.5, 18/19 -£4.8.<br /><br />As always these figures come with a health warning, but they do show the intended travel of particular party.<br /><br /><br /><br />Ron Sturrocknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1603438996450817644.post-43377836630090296952015-03-06T09:35:42.641-08:002015-03-06T09:35:42.641-08:00Sincerest apologies to all.
It was the English De...Sincerest apologies to all.<br /><br />It was the English Democrats not the EDL.Ron Sturocknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1603438996450817644.post-36128490067979858942015-03-06T09:34:30.373-08:002015-03-06T09:34:30.373-08:00Sincerest apologies to all.
It was the English De...Sincerest apologies to all.<br /><br />It was the English Democrats not the EDL.Ron Sturocknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1603438996450817644.post-26336911138811280212015-03-06T08:04:06.971-08:002015-03-06T08:04:06.971-08:00A friend just sent me this. I'd forgotten just...A friend just sent me this. I'd forgotten just how much David Cameron loves us Scots. Maybe Max Hastings should have reread this too, before writing his bile filled piece. <br /><br />So they love us, we're a family, but just don't vote for anything that will diminish the union. Right, got that.<br /><br />http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2749933/Don-t-rip-family-apart-Cameron-gets-passionate-Union-highly-personal-article-Mail-warns-no-going-Yes-vote-wins.html<br /><br />Yay! I've managed to post a hotlink...must keep Mr Anonymous happy...jason hoffmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1603438996450817644.post-59204863566392183382015-03-06T07:34:43.874-08:002015-03-06T07:34:43.874-08:00Mr anonymous.
Please post using your name, espec...Mr anonymous. <br /><br />Please post using your name, especially if you're going to make snide comments about me. If you're going to insult someone, have the good grace to put your name to it.<br /><br />I don't know why the hot link did not work but rest assured that it was not because of being a dastardly Nat (I almost called myself a Cybernat there!). It was instead a error on my part. <br /><br />As to the max Hastings article, I'd be really keen to understand which bits you thought were well reasoned. For a historian known for writing well researched books, this article is full of personal prejudices against the Scots, Scotland, socialism, labour, the snp, the intelligence of the electorate, democratic process and pretty much everything in-between. IMO.jason hoffmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1603438996450817644.post-4789440471272285792015-03-06T07:25:56.611-08:002015-03-06T07:25:56.611-08:00The English Defence League? Are you you honestly s...The English Defence League? Are you you honestly saying the snp are linked to these fascists? if you want to have a reasoned discussion, be sensible. Please.<br /><br />Max Hastings described them as Stalinsts. <br /><br />So what are the SNP? <br /><br />As for what the snp will do with these springs conferences, I have no idea. I'm not a member.<br /><br />I don't like your language "harrying parliament " "destructive " that you use. <br /><br />I'm sure the snp will be as politically professional as every other party in Westminster. If there is to be a coalition or agreement, there will be concessions. <br /><br />It's how it works.<br />jason hoffmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1603438996450817644.post-6294729462700559672015-03-06T07:03:37.938-08:002015-03-06T07:03:37.938-08:00From the OBR report Dec. 14 (probably to be update...From the OBR report Dec. 14 (probably to be updated around the budget)<br /><br />Oil and Gas Forecast:<br />Price 14/15 $100.6, 2015/16 $83.1, 2016/17 $86.1, 2017/18 $86.5, 2018/19 $86.5, 2019/20 $86.5.<br />These are the DECC central projections.<br /><br />As %age of GDP & Tax<br />2014/15 0.2% & £2.3bn, 2015/16 0.1% & £1.7bn, 2016/17 0.1% & £1.8bn, 2017/18 0.1% & £1.6bn, 2018/19 0.1% & £2.1bn, 2019/20 0.1% & £1.7bn.<br /><br />Interestingly outpout Million tonnes:<br />2014/15 60.9, 2015/16 53.1, 2016/17 55.1, 2017/18 55.3, 2018/19 55.1, 2-019/20 56.8.<br /><br />Of course they are only forecasts and we know accurate they are. <br />Ron Sturrocknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1603438996450817644.post-4996891371045216642015-03-06T06:23:34.108-08:002015-03-06T06:23:34.108-08:00Jason,
You have to begin with the "Raison D&...Jason,<br /><br />You have to begin with the "Raison D'etre" of the SNP. <br /><br />I agree if they win a considerable number of seats they have the right to participate. But what form will this participation take? Is it to be constructive or destructive?<br /><br />It is quite clear that the SNP intend to harry Westminster for more powers over and above those in the Smith Commission.<br />Do you not think there will be a knock on effect as regards Wales & Northern Ireland (NI have been given the OK to reduce CT to 12.5%)<br />As recent as November A. Salmond said, if elected as an MP, what his goal was and if not satisfied, that we could take matters into our hands. i.e UDI. <br />Augurs well doesn't it!<br />As the saying goes "be careful what you wish for"<br /><br />Not quite sure what your "conquered and subjugated" comment applies to?<br /><br />So you were insulted by Max Hasting's article, are you forgetting the yes supporters jibes of "traitors" "unpatriotic" "coffin dodgers" and quite a few choice epithets hurled at those who voted no.<br /><br />BTW, will the SNP be sending delegates to the spring conferences of their prospective progressive partners, not forgetting the EDL?Ron Sturrocknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1603438996450817644.post-1474867075647330592015-03-06T06:00:05.680-08:002015-03-06T06:00:05.680-08:00Guessing the article is the one posted on the mail...Guessing the article is the one posted on the mail online site, if so you merely show your pettiness (a common trait in amp support) in not liking to the article directly.<br /><br />Now on the article other then the headline and the last paragraph which are slightly demeaning, it is a well thought out and presented argument, that I really can't see your problem with.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1603438996450817644.post-84383029679391073252015-03-06T04:43:40.471-08:002015-03-06T04:43:40.471-08:00So, what do you make of this from Max Hastings? Wh...So, what do you make of this from Max Hastings? Where does Scotland fit into the Uk (ie England's) thought process?<br /><br />For me, if the SNP win a lot of seats in Westminster, that is democracy speaking. Or are the majority of us Scots deluded and incapable of rational thought. Do we need to conquered again and subjugated by England?<br /><br />Personally, I'm quite insulted by this article. I thought by being in a Union, we all get a say. We share and we all benefit. Isn't that what Better Together was all about. So we're all being good unionists and choosing our Westminster representatives. Are those planning on voting snp doing something wrong that we ought to be made aware of? <br /><br />https://archive.today/dHA00jason hoffmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1603438996450817644.post-35484384101960939662015-03-05T14:25:54.393-08:002015-03-05T14:25:54.393-08:00Great blog Kevin as ever.
As for the nats......do...Great blog Kevin as ever.<br /><br />As for the nats......don't let the b'stards grind you down.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1603438996450817644.post-46063999004009927472015-03-05T07:35:10.355-08:002015-03-05T07:35:10.355-08:00Jason, you make some fair points. Far smarter guys...Jason, you make some fair points. Far smarter guys than me have commented above, so I can't really add much else.<br /><br />All I would say is that no country is perfect. Every single country in the world has it's establishment. As Max mentioned above, so indeed does Scotland. I don't know if the UK's is significantly worse than most other places, I think it's sometimes blown out of proportion to what really matters to most people - the wider economy and jobs.<br /><br />The UK as it stands - is it really that bad? The Indy side are as guilty of negativity towards the UK as the pro-UK side are the other way. A functioning single market/currency union, where sometimes we give and sometimes we take. An NHS to be proud of, despite it's faults. Democracy - UK, Scottish, European, Council elections, Scottish referendum, AV referendum, all free and fair.<br /><br />Finally, I'm as concerned about some of the more insidious policies of the SNP (named persons!) than I've been about most of what the Tories have done.<br /><br />Anyway, I digress. Thanks for engaging - your attitude was thankfully more conciliatory than some.Andy Thompsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1603438996450817644.post-73166673047289716082015-03-05T04:25:37.458-08:002015-03-05T04:25:37.458-08:00Kevin, thank you. That's a good answer.
Terr...Kevin, thank you. That's a good answer. <br /><br />Terry, threads develop. As they should. There is a reason why this thread has more comments than others. Because a discussion has broken out. woo hoo!<br /><br />I'd personally like to see tax loopholes closed. I run a (small) business and pay my due. So should Amazon etc al. No excuses about numbers of employees who contribute to the economy. How many workers do you need to employ before hmrc treats you differently?<br /><br />I'd like to see more money trickle down. So not taxing the rich more but paying them less - and paying workers more. Everyone should have access to a decent wage. Having top-up benefits for those in employment is madness. There needs to be a decent living wage.<br /><br />Westminster needs to reform itself. No more part-time MPs. Do the job full-time on a salary commensurate with the responsibility of the role. Act as the representative of your constituency and not as a paid representative of big business.<br /><br />There needs to be devolution of power to the regions - not just Scotland. There is no reason for so much control to be exerted by london.<br /><br />And finally, everyone should take a role in developing our country - share the workload and share the benefits. We all have a right to better health; decent incomes; housing; social and health care and leisure time. And a pension as a thank you for your service.<br /><br />Aspirational? Yep. Can it be funded? Why not? Who's going to lead this? None of the fuckers standing for Westminster anyway ;-) jason hoffmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1603438996450817644.post-64810531023515865552015-03-05T02:34:12.061-08:002015-03-05T02:34:12.061-08:00Jason
I'm not standing for election; I'm ...Jason<br /><br />I'm not standing for election; I'm not asking you to cast your vote for me. If I was your question would be eminently reasonable.<br /><br />I am listening to what the parties have to say and forming my own view as to who's policies make the most sense to me.<br /><br />As you can see from my blog I decided I needed to understand Scotland's economy better to make an informed decision. I decided to share that work because I though others might find it useful.<br /><br />In that process I have noticed a systematic tendency among some participants to misrepresent information - that they happen to be those arguing for Scottish Independence *might* be a coincidence.<br /><br />I don't think there is a simple answer and I'm convinced (based on a fair degree of work and relevant personal experience) that independence or full fiscal autonomy would cause significant additional economic hardship in Scotland at least in the medium (10 year) term.<br /><br />Given that (increasingly widely accepted) inevitable pain I think it's reasonable to ask those who argue for it to put more meat around the bones of what they'd actually do to make things better.<br /><br />The SNP just published their economic strategy. There is not one single specific tax measure proposed. If you're arguing for fundamental constitutional change the burden of proof is yours.<br /><br />Saying "well it couldn't be any worse" is not good enough and frankly incredibly naive.<br /><br />I do think there are a list of interesting topics that might form the answer - to my eyes this requires some honesty about<br /><br />1. Which costs will need to be cut and who will be affected?<br /><br />2. Which taxes will be increased and who will end up paying more?<br /><br />3. How - precisely - will we drive economic growth and reduce in-work-poverty<br /><br />I think the super-rich should pay more tax - but I think realistically the middle classes will need to feel some tax pain too. I think the lowest paid in society should be protected from further taxation (in a way they haven't been in recent years)<br /><br />I think in-work-poverty has to be addressed and that can only happen through progressive increases in the National Minimum Wage.<br /><br />I think (of course) that real economic growth is essential to solving our economic problems - but I don't believe corporation tax cuts are the answer. <br /><br />I think we need to encourage more entrepreneurial activity; I think we need businesses to engage more closely with their communities.<br /><br />There are many more issues of course - these are complex topics that I will attempt to develop thoughts on through this blog.<br /><br />I don't claim to have all the answers; I do claim to be willing to think critically about the options presentedKevin Haguehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14587343060415859159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1603438996450817644.post-86745133440890800242015-03-05T01:42:27.763-08:002015-03-05T01:42:27.763-08:00Jason,
Asking Kevin to come up with a better plan ...Jason,<br />Asking Kevin to come up with a better plan is like asking an art critic to paint a better painting than the artist the are critiquing.<br />It is also getting well of the track of the original blog subject , and may I say, slightly emotive. To point out factual error is not sneering.<br />Although I am sure this isn't the case, it could appear to some that you were trying to divert attention from the original subject.<br />Cheers<br />Terry<br /><br /> Terry Summersnoreply@blogger.com